Tasteless ads
Published Wednesday, July 1, 2009
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Stumble It!Is it really necessary to have sketches of pole dancers and scantily clad ladies in the ads within Latitude 65 or other parts of the paper?
I am offended and sickened that my kids and family have to look at these kinds of things when perusing the paper for fun things to do with the family during the weekend.
I don’t like my little boys seeing things like that.
I think it makes the News-Miner look cheap and, to be honest, causes me to consider simply canceling my subscription.
Don’t you have more class than that, News-Miner?
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Oh brother, get a life already.
"...when perusing the paper for fun things to do with the family during the weekend." What kind of stupid crap is that to say?
Do you realize Fairbanks was founded on floozies, and houses of ill-repute? I suppose you're offended by all the scantily clad women during Golden Days.
This letter is a complete failure.
Oh realy sourdough thats what you want fairbanks to employ, and be about a bunch of floozies. Heck i dont even like the idea of the office at pioneer park being a replica of a cat house. Im mean realy what has happened to peoples morals here. Crime has gotten worse, and drug use in this town has gotten out of control. This is rediculous.
So the news-miner is supposed to turn down money from a legitimate local business because strippers freak you out? Those adds aren't any more explicit than girls you'd see sunbathing or swimming this time of year.
Coldarmyguy, we honor the spirit of the people who settled this land especially because many of them were the misfits of society elsewhere. These people built a city and community that we love. Just because some of them were whores doesn't make them any less noteworthy or essential to our beginnings.
Realy your going to honor them more than you do the Native and the Miners. You are just the example of what i was talking about.
And cabinfaboulas i believe that my people have been here in this country longer than your white hookers. We found this land way before your people ever did.
Sorry, Rebecca, don't think most people care and, coldarmyguy, most people have been here some time longer (or shorter) than I have. How long you (or your ancestors) have been here is really irrelevant to the matter of what other people think about what you (or I) think.
I don't care for the poledancers or "historic cathouses" either but like I said, most people in Fairbanks don't care that I don't like them (just like I don't get concerned with the fawning adoration that so many people in this nation use to slobber all over Barack O)...
People actually pay for the NewsMiner? Right there is a mistake, you can get it for nothing on line and don't have to bother reading all those ads.
Rebecca,
As a parent - you should be screening out anything that may, or may not, effect your children. If you think a faded black and white newsprint photo of a poledancer is going to cause permenent sexually explicite dammage to your kids - then don't let them view that section.
As an American - I am totally outraged by your statements. We have the First Ammendment - people and printers have rights. You claim the ads make the NewsMiner look cheap - yet your complaint in itself it a civil right violaton and still you feel the need to write to the editor? You don't see the irony of committing a federal felony in order to post a complaint??? People like you are making this country take dangerous steps toward Sharia Law with your petty bickering.
Our town was built by scoundrels and whores. Does one think the miners came to town to just bathe and get supplies?? They came to drink, have sex, fistfight, and otherwise have a good time. If one does not believe this, read some of the history of this town. A good start is Our Crooked Past. It is also advertised on here...go to the ArcticCam and it is on the right side of the page.
I admire this ladies concern, but she will have her hands full when her little boys are enrolled in one of the local high schools full of scantily clad young ladies.
How do you explain Jacko to those boys?
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Ms. Gerondale,
It is necessary. The ads are what pays for the paper. Are you willing to replace the "offensive" ads, with your own ads? If not, then accept them, or follow through with your hollow threat to cancel your subscription.
It offends me when you (others) try to impose your moral values on me. I'm quite happy with my morals. If I weren't, I'd modify them on my own.
The thing that bothers me about this is the folks who use this kind of thing (including this discussion) to encourage predation & grooming, of youngsters but also of teens, women, gays, other adults - everyone. Pretty simple. Kind of have to be brain dead to not understand that one. Serious words? Uh, yeah. Those are the correct words. And yeah, ridicule someone else - am not into this (altho I'd rather not say anyone ought to do anything at the expense of anyone else). Am also not into the hypocrites who'd encourage this but who do not have to pay bc of the consequences of it. Try all the related harassments on your best friends or your loved ones - and then see if they're warranted or appropriate.
Wow - I wonder if she gets offended by those Quizno's commercials too. You know, the ones with the sexual innuendo. Although Im guessing if her family reads the paper for fun they dont watch alot of TV.
Glaicerwolf and gilf both stated what I was thinking exactly.
And really, I want someone to name ANY TOWN that does not have a sordid past, I mean REALLY people....that is what HISTORY is about.
First and foremost though, I will ALWAYS believe and protect my First Amendment, which allows me to post comments on letters to the editor such as this one.
Her kids read the newspaper???
There author failed to mention which planet she lives on.
Maybe she will explain "Jacko" to all of us.
Were kids around when President Clinton was teaching sex education?
And I thought cigars were for smoking.
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Don't let the kid find out about commercial pop culture!
The First Amendment doesn't guarantee you freedom of reprisal from everyone...just the government. I think the First Amendment is seriously misunderstood.
Rebecca....Just how old are your kids? Part of your job as a parent is to teach them to survive in the REAL world. If you have dismissed the idea of checking out Latitude 65 online (don't let them be corrupted by that nasty computer!) try printing out a copy of the page you're interested in checking out. Otherwise, read the paper edition WITH them and engage them in a conversation about what is printed and explain to them why you find it offensive. You'll get better results in the long run if you encourage open dialogues with them rather than protecting them from the big, bad world.
I think you just need to be a better parent and screen things before you let them look or read them if you are that concerned. I feel bad for your kids. too many restrictions could cause more problems in the long run. Maybe if you just sit them down and talk to them and explain why its wrong to look at ads that bare too much skin for your kids virgin eyes then and spare you heartache in the future of disappointment from being controlled too much
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Glacierwolf
"You don't see the irony of committing a federal felony in order to post a complaint???"
Do you think you are overstating this just a bit?
What part of what she did was a Federal Felony? And for the record, the First Ammendment protects us from the GOVERNMENT interfering with our rights, it does not refer to private citizens or even newspapers for that matter choosing what they will and will not say.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"
So now all of a sudden she does not have the right to be offended by stuff, and ask the NewsMiner to re-think it's ad policies? She never said that these establishments should not be allowed to advertise, but rather stated that the images in the ads are (in her opinion) not appropriate for a newspaper.
This is not a matter of wheter I agree with her or not, it is a matter of wheter she ahs the right to complain about something. lat time I checked there was no "Federal felony" in doing so.
sorry..."whether she has", not "wheter she ahs"...:-)
sorry..."whether she has", not "wheter she ahs"...:-)..................Bad spelling day? :)
I'll bet there are no HIP HOP CD'S in her house!
I was in shock when I heard one of my 18 year old daughters C.D. HIP HOP SONGS.....
Yea, I need to ree-visut the kofee I think. :-) It iz two erly four mee to bee tipeing
I'm outraged that the News Miner is permitted to print stories about politicians pretending to be innocent, decent, caring, or sincerely concerned persons. I object to the fairy-tale delusions that these stories subject my children to, leaving them to one day awaken abruptly and painfully to the stark reality that the fantasy of 'government by, for, and of the People' is just that; fantasy.
I demand that the News Miner stop printing such stories, or I'll feel compelled to stop reading the free, on-line edition of this paper, and will notify those parties running ads that I will nolonger view their advertisements for movies, concerts, and strippers (or plant sales, too, for that matter....).... (O.K., I might view the occasional stripper ads, but that's it, and no more...)
So help me, Buddha!!
yukon john is right i would like to see legalized gambling and prostitution and the tax money going to the city. a good place to have it would be in alaska land. do the gambling like the klondike does. they make enough to fund their city all year long.
Dirk, that was genuinely funny, thanks for the laugh!
Id rather see it in the borough building.
Oh jeez, better stuff your kids' ears full of cotton and sew their eyes shut then. A black and white drawing of a girl in underwear is the least of what your kids are going to see in this world.
And to FreeDarfur: it won't be free forever ;)
I bet Rebecca objects to the Fred Meyer's ads that show women's lingerie and men's underwear in full living color! (OMG, no! Not *THAT*!!)
Letter should have been titled "I'm Prudish and Up-Tight". . .
Lady, you need to get some perspective on reality before your little boys do - otherwise you're going to leave them woefully unprepared for life in the real world.
Wow, heaven forbid a mom protest over stripper ads in the local paper. How dare she object to immorality and the sexual objectification of women?!
The DNM has always had lots of great color ink on the front page. I for one wouldn't mind some beautiful female forms on there sometimes instead of more pics of the AK range from the ridge at UAF.
Lighten up Rebecca, there's more to life than bibles, guns, mountains, fish, hunting and mining, even here in AK.
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.....joeslankas........Google it!!!!!!!!
DNM...........Falling down on deleting comments?????????
Blazer could not have stated it clearer or better. Do not push your own morals on me. I screened what my children watched (tried to anyway), and maybe you should pull those pages from the paper so the rest of us can see what is really going on in the real world. Take your prudish pride and keep it at home. Don't push it on the rest of the world. I chose to raise my boys in a particular manner and you can too! Geez. Are you going to ask Freddies and Sam's to enforce a dress code next?
wow taters.. go to reflections then if you wanna see that crap..
.. i hope you realize there's more to life than sex
Good Letter. As a parent in today's society, we are constantly having to monitor all of the corrupt images our kids may see. I can undersatand this mom's problem ..... the newspaper is supposed to be educational and helpful to our kids.
I say she suffers from exactly what I suffer from.... shock. I am assaulted daily by things, which used to be perfectly safe and normal for kids, that are sexualized and perverted. All in the name of free speech.
Yes, you have the right to express yourself how you want and so do I.I have the right to be offended and the right to point out where people cross the line.
I will go a step further on the offense trail ..... Convience store endcap racks with all the mags with pictures of basically naked women on it. Bikinis that don't even cover half the fake boobs on the girl or dental floss g-strings. TV ads that use girls in Half a Bikini to sell a $6 burger that the model in the ad probably purged as soon as the cameras were off. Commercial about ED. My kids can sing the Viva Viagra song because these commercials come on so much.Kids movies that have a perfectly decent plot and are great until that ONE MOM is introduced, as eye candy to get the dads in the theater, with her chest basically bared and skirts too short.
Everything in our society is about selling sex but then everyone wants to be in an uproar about the unwed teens the government has to pay for. What do you expect when from very early ages boys are taught that women are nothing more than objects of physical pleasure and girls are taught that to get a man they have to be that perfect TV/Mag/ movie model.
Your argument of how this town began is, I am sure, true. But, there was a place that those establishments were located and people who had no desire didn't have to be part of it. Now a days, those of us who do not want to participate are forced to be part of the immorality whenever we open the paper, turn on the TV and/or watch a movie.
I could go on and on and on but most who have commented will not listen. I just want Rebecca to know she's not alone and to tell her to keep speaking out. It's our right.
she didn't object to the Chippendale's ad that appeared in the same issue, either. Apparently a silhouette or mostly clothed woman is still less appropriate than five half-naked smokin' hot dudes. Who's objectifying now?
coolboy .... Don't force your immorality on me! Allow me to be outraged and offended just as freely as you are allowed to wallow in all the filth this world has to offer. You can't have it both ways, and this burns me up more than anything around. You have the freedom to call this woman names and tell her to keep her 'prudish ways' at home, well I have just as much freedom to tell you to keep your filth in your own home and keep my family out of it.
BTW .. I am sure Rebecca does monitor her children and the images she sees, I just bet she didn't think she'd have to do it when her kids were reading the newspaper. There used to be a line that was not crossed.
Well then, we better stop running the Sears and Fred's adds with pictures of men and women in underwear. Give me a break. Have your kids read a book instead.
I agree .... Why do we have to have ads of people in their underwear? The reason we allow our kids to read newspapers is so they can have an idea of current affairs and become productive members of society.
And you'd be surprised at what's in kids books now a days. We don't live in the same world we grew up in.
LMAO...hey, I was sitting here asking myself the SAME QUESTION. I went on yahoo and found out what CFM boots were, and yes, I agree with Shok'd!!
Pennysprecious, never once did I call the writer a name. I will say, though, that I certainly apologize for pushing your hot button. Oh so precious . . .
I stand by what I stated.
Your argument of how this town began is, I am sure, true. But, there was a place that those establishments were located and people who had no desire didn't have to be part of it.
pennysprecious, you have the right to be outraged, state your outrage, quit buying the paper, and stand on the street corner and proclaim your dismay with the situation. In Fairbanks, the "red light district" was in a way "fenced off" but it was RIGHT DOWNTOWN!! During the pipeline, in was on 2 Street and the streets around it. This town was a wild west outpost at the end of the road. I do not mind that people want their kids to be brought up one way or another, but please do be mindful of the past, and not that distant past, of our town.
Our society has denegretated itself to the point of the early Greeks and Romans. Women and children are at the bottom rung of the ladder because MOTHERS allow their children to be viewed and behave in a sexually provactive manner. Yes, women we DO have power.
Stop it!
Although I'm not a Christian, I do agree with the verse: "Teach a child the way he/she is to grow and when they are old they will not depart from it" (paraphrasing). I believe we allow, no!, encourage our children to emmulate sex, violence and perversity. The letter writer has a valid point.
There. I said it. I'm a mother.
Thongs, belly shirts and hip huggers may have found their way into my laundry hamper but they never came out. A long conversation did.
Just think, if every parent out there refused to purchase any product that depicted sex as it's dominant selling point what a different place this world would be.
Not gonna happen,
MrsS
"In Fairbanks, the "red light district" was in a way "fenced off" but it was RIGHT DOWNTOWN"
I understand what your saying but you do admit that there was a 'red light district'. Those few citizens who did not want to go there avoided it. Now, granted, there probably weren't many here who objected to activities. My point is, if there were any who disagreed they had the choice to refrain. We have that same choice but it is becoming more and more difficult to avoid the objectionable behaviors because they are everywhere in our daily life. We are assaulted daily by images that I beleive are unhealthy for young minds.
Freedom is not an excuse to be a rude and crude society. Thinking of how our actions may make another feel should be what makes us a better society to live in. Instead we have Burger King commercials selling Kid's Meals by singing songs about butts with grown women in Hot Pants.
Honestly, I am only here for a few years. You, who are actually here by choice, will dictate the way your society is run. My complaint is not so much about Fairbanks as it is about the general direction society as a whole is going.
coolboy ... Sorry. 'prudish pride' translated into name calling when I read your post.
I screen what my children are exposed to. I change (and block) certain shows/ratings on the television, I change radio stations if something I find inappropriate comes on, I (attempt to) scan & research books and movies before they watch them. That which I miss, we often discuss later and I hope my explanations are satisfactory and educational. This is my job as a parent.
I applaud Ms. Gerondale's desire to protect her children, but I don't agree that the DNM should stop carrying such ads. If we removed everything that may be inappropriate or offensive to some, then we would be left with nothing. Learning in a sterilized environment is much more difficult.
MrsS .... Realistically, we can't boycott everything but I am a firm believer in stating my mind about these issues.
A positive story .... We were in the shoppette on Eielson a few months ago and the mag racks at the check out were covered with pictures of almost naked women. I was terribly embarrassed for my 7 year old son. (And yes, he noticed) I took the time to speak to the manager of the store. And politly explained my concerns. I told her I understood that they had to accomodate the airmen and families on Eielson. I only asked if there was another place that those mags could be displayed.
She was very kind and by the next day all of the offensive mags had been placed in a more discrete area of the store. Now the grown men still get what they want and I don't have my 10 year old daughter turning mags around so her brother can't see them.
Good compromise for all involved.
I am a fairly modest mother of two. I am not offended by the ads. I think they are a bit sleazy sure... But I'm nowhere close to offended. I think if the writer is TRULY put off by them, a solution would be to simply remove them from the paper before handing it to the kids. It is the parents job to parent, and screen what you feel is inappropriate for your children. This is like taking your kids to a PG-13 movie and saying hey! My kid is 13, but I find this that and the other offensive about your movie! You can't expect the DNM to meet the criteria of EVERY mother in Fairbanks. They are not printing a children's newspaper. Do your job as a mother, and handle this complaint at home.
Dana .... The programs and movies are easy to block. It's the commercials that kill me. We usually keep two channels cued up, that way when an offensive commercial comes on we can quickly change it.
I agree that when the offensive material is seen or heard that it is best to teach why you object to it.
I do agree with writer though. I think there should be a standard for the ads with everyone in mind. There is no need for offensive pictures because, for the most part, those who are going to visit those establishments are going to know what they'll get. They don't need pics. Just like I don't need commercials about female products to buy what I need.
fbksmom ... While you give valid solutions to the problem, I bet Rebecca wrote this letter out of outrage after she allowed her kids to read a paper that she assumed would be perfectly safe for them. I am sure now that she knows the ads exist she'll be more vigilent in screening the paper.
penneysprecious - I agree with you completely. It's not about being 'prudish'... what a dumb thing to say. Sex is great, but it is a private thing - not appropriate in the local newspaper. Our culture is becoming more and more numb to 'immorality', bad language, violence, etc. Shame on us for letting it creep into our entertainment. Good job to the letter writer for speaking out.
Pennysprecious....why does my world have to be geared to yours? why do I have to have your morals? thing is...I don't...why is that? because we live in American and we aren't ruled by religion or a government who forces one standard on everyone. I don't care about the ads in the newspaper and I don't care about most of the ones on tv, except those icky Quiznos commericals, but I have the control of turning the channel when they come. You have the right to be what you are...but please do not discount someone elses life because it isn't lived with the same belief system as yours. Kids may rule your world...but they don't rule mine and maybe I want to see strippers poles in the paper or read about Fairbanks rather colorful history instead of glossing over it...I might be in need of some underwear and appreciate seeing it on a model. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't mean you should be able to take away MY right to it.
I have a piece of Salvador Dali art on my wall (more than one). The Warrior is depicted in all his "glory". I have art and statues of women baring breasts, and more. My very talented son still owes me that statue for my garden depicting Eve with all her charms. These are reverence for the human form, not pornograpy...which to me is anything that deters from respect.
Men, do you want to teach our boys about respect? When you find that first piece of hidden porn (which all mothers seem to) paste a headshot of Mom over it, place it under his dinner plate and see how he reacts. But, be prepared to have an honest discussion about sexuality and respect. If you wouldn't want other men to to view it, maybe it isn't right.
Respect is a two way street.
Women need to respect themselves if they expect me to do the same.
And guys, really, the whole *Chippendales* thing is silly to grown women.
MrsS
Everything I learned about sexuality as a kid came from two sources: 1) National Geographic magazines; and 2) other kids. I would have preferred my parents to engage in honest, thoughtful discussion with me instead. I think that we need to help our kids understand their society, including offering critiques of the images and the music that they will inevitably encounter. Censoring those images will only make them more appealing to children, and then when they look at the images without you, the parents, they will have no context to understand.
Oops, I meant to say "Women need to respect themselves if they expect men to do the same."
glow, I agree. 100%.
MrsS
I read this letter and all I can think of is Audrina Patridge in the Carl's JR........ GGGRRRRRRRRR
How would an innocent know what a pole and a gal is symbolic of?
I thought it was for May Pole dancing myself. I'm more of an innocent than I thought.
I was thinking the same thing as the writer. I was noticing that the paper has a lot of these ads lately. And they put them in the strangest locations in the paper!
pinhead-precious, I could care less what you think of our town, or what is in our paper. The sooner you are gone, the better off Alaska will be.
Remember, we all come into this world butt-naked.
If it wasnt for the hookers in this town there would be no Fairbanks. Everyone ones that Fairbanks is actually named after a famous "chicken ranch" woman. Geesh people, hussy's make the world go around. derka derka!!
Glow - what you wrote is my point exactly! A parent can NOT censor every image or piece of information or entertainment that *they* feel is offensive, then expect the kids to figure it out on their own. My parents were like the letter writer and pennytheohsopreciousone: prudes who couldn't even say "sex" if they were caught doing it. Every one of us kids learned about "the facts of life" the wrong way - from other kids, trashy mags and books provided by those other kids, and from trial & error. As adults, we all compared notes once about our upbringing and every one of us said we would much rather our parents had helped us understand the world instead of trying to keep us shielded from it behind their bible and guilt-ridden morals.
Is it right to "objectify" women, OR men? No. But it's also not right to keep your kids hidden behind the veil of "let's pretend it doesn't exist and all will be well in our fairytale world... right up until the kid is faced with a moral decision they are totally unprepared for, or gets pregnant because no one ever talked with them about the feelings they WILL experience or spends years in therapy trying to figure out why they are screwed up, guilt-ridden and uncomfortable in their own skin.
I will repeat what I said earlier - get real, you self-righteous prudes before your kids get real without your guidance. You can't shield them from it so teach them what "it" is and why they need to consider whether it is right or wrong for themselves.
sourdoughdiablo, yup, we were all born into this world buck naked, but our Mamma's taught us to cover up.
Who wrapped you in your first blanket?
And Fairbanksborn79, I believe prostitution should be legal..and discreet. It's all about respecting one's person and family.
Oh, and even at my age, before I cut my hair, I could have subbed for that Carl's Jr. ad. (I am a former model, never took my clothes off) I would never embarrass my children, parents or ancestors that way.
A hussy is an old English term for female cats who must be physically stimulated repeatedly to come into heat before they can be successfully bred. Judging from the sound they make, it ain't all that much fun.
It's all about respect.
MrsS
damn, i might have to actually buy a paper once in a while.
Hot_Reuben.....Save up for the Sunday DNM...it has more ads LOL
Since when did we become so blinded? Our society has become over run by sexuality...T.V. radio, even the news. Sadly we can't hide from it anymore. If anyone really thinks them complaining is goin to put a stop to any of this or even slow it down is completely nuts and should go out to the bush to "live off the land". Sadly but in this day and age that's the only way you're gonna get away from any of it. So either learn to deal with it in your own way or shut up about it. Seriously.
i think they are way less offensive then half of the political cartoons. in this economy we can't afford to limit an industry, even if its the scantily clad lady sketch industry. im sure the guy that sketches the half naked women has a few kids he feeds. i hope you feel good about yourself.
Wow.....
I think it's the unexpected that gets this type of knee-jerk reaction. The letter writer obviously expected to open a news paper that didn't have any reason to be selling sex. Her expectation led her to let her child open it first before she reviewed it. For instance - my family loved the first transformers - my husband was the one that caught the word 'b*&ch' in the first one. I took my 6 year old girl to the 2nd one - thinking the first wasn't bad at all. Boy was I wrong - I lost count of the swear words after the first 3 and then to have some guy's hairy a$$ taking up the whole 30' screen was way too much - she saw his rear before I could put my hand over her eyes so she didn't see the front. Frankly I don't want her seeing any man's 'stuff' before I decide she's ready for 'the talk'. But that was my EXPECTATION OF DECENCY. So I was disturbed that I didn't get what I was expecting - then I got mad. Not much because it was something I was able to gloss over with her but still... Anyway - we keep expecting to be able to do things, read things without all the sex popping up and our expectations keep getting stepped on. Frankly I think americans are too prudish, I'm a prude and proud of it but is it really prudish to like to keep something so important personal? I don't need to advertise that I have sex, I have a kid to prove that already - why act as though I should be proud to have the word 'sex' plastered on my forehead. Sex sells. Why? Because it's something that's been repressed for so long. Treat it as the natural act it is and people wouldn't focus on it quite so much. It's natural and healthy to brush your teeth or to pee but you don't see that plastered all over tv, radio and such. And for crying out loud why are the only commercials on cable about anti-depressants and erectile dysfunction? Are they trying to tell us something?
Sorry - rant officially over!
I've always found political campaign signs highly offensive, mostly because I always thought whores weren't supposed to advertise their services.
oh, excuse me hilda, did i say that out loud?
I didn't understand why my comment got deleted, until I googled "CFM Boots".
Wahaahahhhahhhaaa!! That's classic. Shock'd was right.
4wutitsworth ... Whatever
Expectation of Decency? In America? You can't even find that in the park downtown!
After all, a cool kids cartoon from 25 years ago has been turned into a hollywood sex-sells summer sequel seller. I'm surprised the Newspapers don't do more expose's on the pole-dancers in town, it would sell papers for once.
what is so bad about a sketch of a pole dancer anyway? any person would overlook it if they were normal, but a kid thats been shielded from it for all of his life probably is going to clip it out and put it in his wallet. make a bigger deal, and make your problem worse lady.
Vote with your wallet....everything else is blaa blaa blaa.
Ljc120802 ... you took a 6-year-old to see a PG-13 rated movie ... and your surprised about curse words and a butt shot? HELLO, it's PG-13. Duh.
Mrs S- Pasting a head-shot of mom over a boy's girlie photo is brilliant idea! I love it.
I GET SICK OF SEEING JESUS ON A CROSS,,GROSS BLOOD DRIPPING ALL OVER IT IS SCARY TO YOUNG CHILDREN
Well Well look at all the comments; Just for ya all knowledge it will not matter about what your child sees or what they read or how long you keep them in the closet so that they don't see it or read it. All that matters is how you and you alone raises your child or children no matter what they do make their own decisions right or wrong they will continue with the way you raise them or with what they find out about life that is life.
IT WAS A JOKE,,A FUNNY A HA HA,,,GEEZ
I agree. I don't think strippers dancing around poles are tasteful reading material.
The same goes for the local commercials on TV that pop-up during decent 14-18 year old TV show.
hay these ads just make us more like the rest of the nation. woho!!!
no morals (everything is okey as longs as it doesn't effect me if you don't like it don't read it.) well rebecca you are right. but sense you have morels you are wrong.all we have to do see look around and see where fairbanks is headed but hay thats what this state is suppose to do you. see because you have morals and believe this is wrong you do not fit in this evil world. and soon there will be no place for people like you and me. but always remember there is a better place coming just hang in there. and remember you are not of this world but a better one.God bless and pray pray pray.
I believe there might have been some digression as the comments went on.
The problem for Rebecca is that the section of the paper the add was in is one which claims "family" activities. So, one would think it should be free of what is generally thought to be inappropriate for younger people.
Now if this logic is followed, there are some problems. Definition of what "family" means. DNM may not intend for a forum of families who follow James Dobson or Jerry Prevo. But I would challenge anyone to find any literature which describes a family outing to a strip club, even if it is just a juice bar. I do not see many examples of family events taking place in any strip club, in any form of communication. The family events I see being represented in strip clubs, both fictional and non fictional representations, in these venues are more closley related to Soprano's style mafia, drug addictions, felonies activities, and Democrats.
So, what does family mean to the DNM? and is this what it means to the general public.
Could not have the add ben placed in the first section of the paper?
We all could have then been commenting on how Al Franken and Al sharpton look so good on TV today, booth flapping their jaws.
how about a compromise? maybe they could split the advertising budget between the published and the on-line version of the paper. that way people who are offended by pole dancers would only have half as much to complain about and i wouldn't have to buy a paper.
Wow, I learned something new. Never knew what the CFM meant. An image search (safe search off) brings it all into focus.
Now onto the drugs and rock-n-roll!
Maybe she better sweep the '' boys' '' bedroom and perhaps panty search it with a fine tooth comb and hope she doesn't find any magazines hidden to where she complains her boys going blind after seeing latitude 65's front page of ''women''....
However there is a bright side to this..... if the hidden magazines found are just JC Penney or Sears catalogs, no need to worry, at least the boys wont get staple wounds compared to Playboy or Penthouse.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH yes a better place we are going,,when they legalize weed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A prude: a person who is described as being concerned with decorum or propriety; May be perceived as being uncomfortable with sexuality, nudity, alcohol, drug use or mischief.
So truthminer, what I stated was not "dumb," nor was it a negative comment. It just "was." I used that term to describe the writer as she appeared to me; I did not intend it to be taken as a negative description, in fact, one of my best friends can be described as one and she is greatly admired by many. It was a term I saw fit--not one to cut the writer down in any way. I am not even going to call you dumb for inadvertently reading between the lines and resorting to name calling. That would be just plain stupid.
Ljc12802........." It's natural and healthy to brush your teeth or to pee but you don't see that plastered all over tv, radio and such."
Are you serious?? Dental floss, teeth whiteners, toothpaste, sugarless gum,etc? Depends, bladder control meds, Huggies, etc? Does the little "Gotta go, gotta go" jingle ring a bell?
hilda don't you think its more to it then that?
people wanna get noticed so they show off what they got.... all for their lustful ...worldly ways... - for attention
the teeth ads will get attention by a few people who want to have their teeth look good .....for the opposite sex..... - for attention...
its easier to take some clothes off for attention than taking the effort to whiten your teeth....... - for attention
I do think there is more to it than that; I was just responding to the fact that she stated you DON'T see these things plastered throughout the media.
yeah thats true information there
I hear they make plastic bubbles for child sanitization.
if this is just another devious plot by the DNM to get me to buy their rag again, it just might work.
You're the reason I uncover the magazines at grocery store checkout counters that have blocks in front of them.
Hey, I so agree with Rebecca. No, it shouldn't be against the law to print that kind of crap, but it is diguisting. there is so much sexual perversion around, it's just nasty. men don't even respect women anymore...partially because there are partially dressed or naked female bodies silhouetted on the backs of pick-up trucks, on the outside of the nudy bars, and now in the NewsMiner....clean it up, Fairbansk-teach our boys to respect women for more than their bodies!
Well on the other hand, some people only read it for that content. So do we really wanna piss Bubba off at the end of the bar to screen our children from things they see all the time anyways.
If you dont make a big deal out of something in front of your kids, they never notice. Once you do the whole "OH MY GOSH!" and slap your hand over the picture, they notice and now know to look for it just to see what made mommy so upset. Act like adults with your kids, and they will act like an adult.
I think beauty contests are gross,,dressing up a 7yo little girl YOUR DAUGHTER,, to look in her 20s??? Oh but that is fun for the girl?..No its because Mommy wasnt cute enuff or too fat so she live her dreams thur her now daughter,,,they televise this crap. SICK
I wish they were naked then I would subscribe to the paper!
first of all, this ad has been in the paper for a long time, second of all, I think we need to congratulate the newsminer staff for building such a successful ad! if it catches this woman's eye and she wasn't even looking for it then I consider it a dang good ad! it should be put in a text book for artists to learn from.
i completely agree with Glacierwolf :)
You know, "cat houses" and "strippers" are just part of life. Did you know that prostitution is the oldest profession known to man? It's true. So instead of smothering your kids, why don't you try to educate them on what it is, and why it's not approperiate (your reasons, anyway). If they are too young to understand "They are dancers for adults" then they are too young to be reading the paper on their own.
C'mon lady. my 8 year old brother understood that statement and he hasn't had any traumatical scarring. Get real, and put down that newspaper before you suffocate your kids further.
prostitution isn't really the oldest profession. politics is. but i guess, i'm just nit-picking. the two professions are almost the same exept that prostitutes are generally more honest.
And in the czase of the hookers, the screwing that a person receives is almost always voluntary and requested. In the other scenario, it's not only involuntary, but the primary party or actor typically denies that it's even happening.
I wonder what Will Rogers would say about all of this.
>>>""And in the czase of the hookers""<<<
Ooops, there should not be a letter 'z' in the word 'case,' should there....
LOL Dirk, LOL. Thank you for making my day.
Funny how it all works. During my Dad's day things were different. Not near so much scanty clad going on and to be seen but still a big job like a gold boom or a construction boom or a just a lot of men in one place there was a demand for three things: booze, whores, and good food, and lots of all three. There was a lot of laughing and joking and good times. Now I am here to tell ya there is not near as much laughing and joking and good times and the food is not near as good and there is not nearly the drinking and the whores going on. It is dullsville around here in Alaska these days. When the Newsminer advertising is considered hot stuff well that is just proof. Can't blame the lady though for saying hey this getting to be too much! There is not a good thing I can think of about ceaseless objectifying of youthful bodies everywhere. Really, tell me what is good about that?
You are so right sosorry. Alaska is not the Alaska I came to almost 30 yrs ago. It is NOT NEARLY AS FUN!!! For one, I am older, and I do not get the girls like the young guys do, but hey, I still like to see them!!! We used to even celebrate our history, the one with the booze, girls and good food, but that too has changed now-a-days. It is just a shame that Alaska, and more importantly, Fairbanks, has gone down this road.
In Hawaii the scantily clad advertisements are always in the sports section. Parents who are worried tell their kids to get online....oops, they have found porn. Naivity is what drives kids to be curious. If they have been taught by their parents that it is not a taboo, parents have no reason to be wondering what a cartoon drawing of a naked lady will do to their kids.
Those ads are placed by companies that employ Fairbanksans. Citizens of Fairbanks patronize those companies and keep them in business. You could impose your morals on all those other citizens of Fairbanks, tell them your judgment of what's right and wrong is more important than their right to earn a living or to make their own choices. Then, once that's done, you could ban R rated movies from Fairbanks, fire all the workers at video rental stores, then get rid of the lingerie stores, put all their employees out of work, and make everyone wear ankle-length dresses that button clear up to their throats. You could really clean up Fairbanks. OR ... you could monitor what your children read, be a responsible parent, and teach your children that censorship is a poor substituted for personal responsibility. Which is the better solution in a nation founded on principals that include liberty and freedom? Don't Tread on Me.
For the record, there are many people in Fairbanks who support pole dancers and scantily clad ladies. Otherwise they wouldn't be here.
There's a huge difference between underwear ads and pole dancer ads. There's also a huge difference between nudity or "scantily clad" and dancing seductively with a big pole, and to put them in the same category is ignorant. Who of you slamming this mom would encourage their little girls to grow up to be pole dancers? It's not up there on the list of preferred professions of most parents. If one of my friends were to tell me their daughter chose a career as a pole dancer, I wouldn't exactly be thrilled for her. I think it's admirable that this letter-writing mom wants to teach her sons more respect for women than to think of them in that (spot)light, at least for a little while. There will be plenty of time and opportunity for her boys to learn about disrespecting women. This is America and loveless sex and objectification of both genders permeate our culture as much as gratuitous violence does, so everyone can be assured that every American child will get a good saturation of all three by the time they're 18.
Doris, you've totally missed the point. If someone chooses to be a pole dancer, or to patronize a dance club, or to invest their efforts into running a dance club, or to advertise their dance club business, it's their own choice, not anyone else's. If someone chooses to teach their children that pole dancers and dance clubs are shameful and demeaning, that's their choice, not anyone else's. However, if someone insists that one person not be allowed free choice so that they can pretend other choices don't exist instead of teaching their own children the values they want them to have, then they've crossed the line. No one objects to "this letter-writing mom" teaching her children anything she wants to, but a lot of people object to her proposition that censorship of others should be substituted for her personal responsibility.
Artemis - this is not about censorship at all, it is about just good old common sense. To me it sounds like the lady has some, not only that is willing to speak out. This is an issue strictly about advertising and money. Sex sells. Just framing it in some kind of logic here. Sex sells and do I want my children to get right into it early on so that they don't really know any other way? That we as a society keep charging right down this road which is going somewhere; where is it? A good place? Somehow I doubt it. It is only us that can say whoa. This is a road and it is going somewhere. It is that somewhere that concerns me.
It is not about censorship it is about how we want to be as a society.
No, sosorry, it's about how YOU want society to be. You don't speak for everyone, so claiming to represent how WE want to be as a society is out of line. If the proposal is to ban the publishing of ads for things that some people participate in so those who don't participate won't be offended, that is most certainly a proposal for censorship. I don't know what you want or don't want your kids to get into. The point is, it's YOUR responsibility to make that happen, not mine, not the Newsminer's, and not society's. Proposing to ban something others appreciate so that you don't have to take responsibility for guiding your childrens' activities is offensive and wrongheaded, pure and simple.
Artemis- I appreciate your insight on this but understand this: I am not proposing banning anything here. In your castle you rule and can do any thing you wish. Outside of your castle it is our country and do we wish to have a country that is charging down this particular road? That is a question for all of us.
Good sense says that packaging and sell sex constantly and just as constantly pushing the envelope further and further- while great for the businesses doing it, may well not be so great for what we want our country to be. (terrible sentence)
I am not in favor legislating decency and good taste, I am in favor of having some.
"Outside of your castle it is our country and do we wish to have a country that is charging down this particular road? That is a question for all of us."
That would be a really simple question to answer if all the people trying to frame the answer in terms of their own personal morals would back off and let the market decide. People vote with their dollars. If sex sells, the the answer is yes, we want to go there. If it doesn't then the answer is no, we don't. What irritates me is people who observe that the answer is yes then propose imposing a different answer because they don't like it.
"Good sense says that packaging and sell sex constantly and just as constantly pushing the envelope further and further- while great for the businesses doing it, may well not be so great for what we want our country to be. (terrible sentence)"
I just deciphered this sentence. I understand your point, but I adamantly disagree with it. If it wasn't what we want our country to be, we wouldn't keep putting out dollars in places that make it worth while for those businesses. The "good taste" of those who are offended does not outvote the freedom of choice of those who purchase goods and services. Live and let live seems to be a hard concept for some to grasp.
Wait a minute here.A Ad for Strippers caused all this fuss?Hello what are the oldest professions in the world again?
Hello I take exception to Veggie tales and car toons like it.So what do I do I inform people that I don't want my children watching it.Really you need to grow up.Sex sells and until it stops selling stuff you can forget not seeing skimpy dressed people or kissing on the tv or in printed ads.
Skimpy clothes no worrys.Nudity if its tastful no prob,Horror movies full of blood guts and gore.Why not.We spend so much time worrying over small stuff that was going on when we were kids that it is insane.
While there are things i screen from my kids I'd rather say okay questions are a okay and let them see what most peeps would scream at me for.I know this world is a scary place I'd rather let them see it for what it is then to hide it from them and see them get hurt.My folks did hide anything from me and if something i saw in the news bothered me we talked about it.I knew rape could and does happen to real live people.I knew murder happened.That bad things happen to good people for no reason other then wrong place at the right time.
Then you have the moms like the letter writer.OH goddess above.That just don't get it.Kids are learning this stuff younger and younger.The last time i did babysiting for some one else's kids.Both the son and daughter knew what sex was and why people did it.13 and 7 or 8 were the ages.
So stuff it up a rock and grow up.Sex sells.Towns in gold rush areas where places to drink,dine,and have sex after months of being alone or around other men.
Oh and for those of you who think dancing around a pole demorlizes or destroys the way women are looked at.Wake up if its male it sees sex or something close to that.After all its nature of the beast.And lets face it once again SEX SELLS.Cars,trucks,clothes,booze,cigs and a ton of other items sell because hot women in skimpy clothes or Men in skimpy clothes (for items geared to women.)
Smiple easy don't look grow up and stop whining about how bad it is.Think of it this was in the dark ages kids ended up watching there folks in bed.....On room to serve as kitchen,bath,and bed room and more kids then I'd care to think of poping out.
So it went from learn from mom and dad to media and other kids.Yeah no surpirse there.I don't blink when i hear of a 10 or 11 year old girl knocked up with a baby because this is the world we live in.
I won't tell you about it but I don't want you doing it.*Snort*Really that kind of back wards thinking is why this nation is up to its ears in debt.And has a abortion rate going through the roof.Talk talk talk.If you simply talk to them about things it save you a world of heart ach and the rest of us money!
silverwindrune ..... Your line of reasoning doesn't make sense. We are to let them hear and see whatever they want but it is Who's fault when a 10 or 11 year old ends up pregnant? And then your want to leave off by complaining about abortion and how much it costs you? Doesn't make sense. The liberal idea of life is everything goes, no holds bar, but then complain about how much money you have to spend to support the children of those who were taught your idea of how life should be.
I am sorry your world is so void of morals that you think that is normal. I venture that you are a rather young mother with pretty young kids. Believe me, it gets harder and is different the older they get. I have a 14, almost 11 year old and a soon to be 8 year old. The idea of a 11 year old being pregnant is terrible to me.
Again, the writer was not attempting to have the ad removed. She is just asking for a different ad which is more appropriate for a family while reading the newspaper. She did not ask the News Miner to refuse the company in question, but to ask them to tone the ad down.
And BTW, why were you discussing sex with your friend's kids anyway? That is definitly a subject that should be off limits with the babysitter.
Alot is being missed. She is not asking for the add to be changed, just placed in a different section of the paper, one not purported to be "Family activities".
THis way, the chance of a younger person coming upon the add is reduced. No different than zonning laws. You do not put strip clubs next to schools, daycare, or parks.
Although, if this was done, it would help reduce the emmisions from all of the perverts driving accros town from one place to the other, may be we can get Begich to slip something in the next enviromental bill to change zonning laws?
silverwindrune - whoa! Not sure I want you on my side of the debate!
penneysprecious - the true liberal idea of life is not "everything goes." It's just that what goes or doesn't go for me is up to me, not you, and vice versa. Unlike the conservative view of "let's force everyone to be like me."
Also, I don't see her asking for a "different" ad. It sounds to me like she wants no ad. Even if she did want a different ad, though, do you think that's right? Shouldn't the ad reflect the nature of the business being advertised and the things that attract the customers who support it, rather than the moral views of someone who has no interest in keeping it in business?
sellwiskrs2cats - she's not asking for it to be in a different part of the paper. She wrote "within Latitude 65 or other parts of the paper," so your analogy of zoning laws is flawed. It would be more along the lines of saying "schools and parks exist in Alaska so we can't have strip clubs in Alaska."
There is some logic in asking for a policy that advertisements for things that some parents may not want their children exposed to not be placed in sections of the paper that are targeted at children. But anyone making that request had better recognize that "things some parents may not want their children exposed to" covers strip clubs, tobacco, and alcohol, but also includes PG movies, various flavors of religion, fur, fashion, processed foods, environmentally harmful products, etc., etc. Once you start down that road, where will it end? Or do we only ban the ads the religious right don't like and discount the concerns of all other citizens?
There goes the catalog in the out house! Which creates another problem, what are we going to do now? Mom
Should I write a letter about how I'm offended that Bible Baptist peddles jesus on the street corner. At least the prostitutes wouldn't condemn me to hell if they were allowed to stand there.
I thought the whole point was monitoring what your children read?
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