Where's Palin? Big bucks for speech in Hong Kong

Published Saturday, September 26, 2009

WASHINGTON - Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin emerged from a two-month absence from public view with a private talk, heavy on foreign policy, to a group of investors in Hong Kong.

Her 90-minute speech Wednesday at an investment conference touched on issues from financial markets to health care, Afghanistan and U.S-China relations. It was generally considered more moderate in tone than those Palin delivered during her 2008 campaign for vice president as Republican John McCain's running mate.

Still, a Democratic congressman chastised Palin for criticizing U.S. foreign policy during her first visit to Asia.

"Leaving aside the propriety of criticizing the president while on her first trip to Asia, the assertion that the United States is ignoring areas of disagreement with China is flat wrong," said Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. The administration regularly discusses a range of issues with Chinese officials, Berman said.

Palin, who stepped down as governor July 26, is widely believed to be pondering a run for president. In a straw poll this month, she finished in a four-way tie for second-place among religious conservatives, trailing former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee.

Palin was paid an undisclosed amount, said to be in the low six figures, for the 90-minute speech. She has said one of the reasons she resigned was to pay legal bills that have topped $500,000. The speech was closed to reporters, but Palin later posted lengthy excerpts on her Facebook page.

"This speech had very little to do with advancing her political career and more to do with advancing her financial career," said former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer.

Fleischer, press secretary under President George W. Bush and a self-described Palin critic, gave the speech generally good marks.

"She's fortunate that she can have a soft landing like this and figure things out from here," he said. "She can take care of her financial future - which she's entitled to do - and figure out policy later."

In her speech, Palin urged China to "rise responsibly" and said the United States "cannot ignore areas of disagreement" as the two countries move forward.

Before she quit with more than a year left in her first term as governor, Palin promised to keep her fans updated on the social networking site Twitter, but so far there have been no messages. Palin updates her Facebook page - which has about 900,000 followers - once or twice a week, with items that alternately criticize President Barack Obama's health care policy or offer praise for Constitution Day or the Jewish high holidays.

But mostly Palin operates from behind a veil. Her spokeswoman won't even say what state she's in. The Washington Post reported that Palin spent a month in California working on her book but has since left. Spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton declined to comment.

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  1. Kimber
    9/26/2009, 8:40 a.m.
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    Another article by a lefty Palin hater..... these guys need to get a life.

  2. The_Alaska_Curmudgeon
    9/26/2009, 8:43 a.m.
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    Well, I guess now she can Mao-Mao the Flak Tossers.

  3. The_Alaska_Curmudgeon
    9/26/2009, 8:44 a.m.
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    You might say she showed some "Radical Cheek."

  4. Djohn
    9/26/2009, 8:57 a.m.
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    Another Palin hater. Of course the White House is going to trash on her. They are afraid she is a crediable threat.

  5. snowduck
    9/26/2009, 9:06 a.m.
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    Good for her. I hope she is able to pay off her bills. It seemed like you had to dig pretty deep to find a demo rep. to cast dispersions.

  6. slider
    9/26/2009, 9:24 a.m.
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    There is no way in hell Palin will ever be president. She loves the cheering campaign stops but is bored by the actual job, and everybody knows it. Electing her would be pointless because she'd quit halfway through her first term and go back on the lecture circuit.

  7. theabowman
    9/26/2009, 9:32 a.m.
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    Spent a month in California at the start of the school year? Great parenting. I guess now that she is not running for office, she does not have to keep up a facade.

  8. Tom58
    9/26/2009, 9:38 a.m.
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    ". . . She loves the cheering campaign stops but is bored by the actual job, and everybody knows it."

    Even if this were all true, she'd still do a heck of a lot better job than the buffoon currently occupying the oval office. I hope there's something left of the country when we toss him out on his ear at the end of his first term.

    "President Pantywaist"
    http://tinyurl.com/ndkoyu

  9. Power_Of_The_O
    9/26/2009, 9:58 a.m.
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    This guy has written almost exclusive Anti-Palin stories for the last year. Look for him to get a job in the PR department of the Obama Adminstration.

  10. chenasteamer
    9/26/2009, 10:26 a.m.
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    Palin is on a Magic Carpet Ride of formulated republican BS. If you locked her in a cabin with no phone or internet for 2 months and shoved her out the door in front of this crowd she would give them the hypnotized look of a deer stareing into a vehicles headlites.

  11. diogenesFBKS
    9/26/2009, 10:26 a.m.
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    Ricky Blunt, one of the local "chronic inebriates" makes far more sense than simple Sarah does.

    If you haven't met Ricky, go here.

    http://www.newsminer.com/videos/2009/sep...

    dog

  12. akbob
    9/26/2009, 10:40 a.m.
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    Way to go Sarah. NM where there is negativity on Sarah there you are. This town needs another paper.

  13. AK1958
    9/26/2009, 10:49 a.m.
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    Why does her opinion matter? I think she honestly believes she's on the campaign trail still, ever notice whatever the President's schedule is Palin has to voice her opinion or hold some twitter, Facebook comment.

    Honestly, she's almost like a stalker!! She'll throw herself in front of a train come 2010! She's nuts!

  14. JETorres
    9/26/2009, 11:06 a.m.
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    For anybody interested in the "Liberal's Manual to Politics", just check it out here:

    http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/8925...

    Keeping in mind this Saul Alinky's 'radicals' book is one that Obama and his minions read and use all the time. It's amazing and scary how closely they have followed these rules to get their way in politics lately.

    "Rule 4 : "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules."

    Sounds familiar right? All the frivolous ethic complaints against Palin....

    "Rule 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions."

    This one is in effect all the time, especially in forums like these and with some of people which are always the same little group that just can't wait for the next Palin article. Some do it in the form of posting links to degrading pictures, some just let it all out like a child throwing a tantrum.

    "RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions."

    Yep, you guessed it, used with Palin all the time.....

  15. JETorres
    9/26/2009, 11:08 a.m.
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    Fresh example of Rule 5: Last post by "AK1958".

  16. BengalTiger
    9/26/2009, 11:18 a.m.

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  17. Roby
    9/26/2009, 11:20 a.m.
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    Bowman... wonder who takes care of the presidents kids?

  18. ndnchic
    9/26/2009, 11:28 a.m.
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    Like I said in another thread, such SUPERB reporting by the NM. Oh wait, nevermind. You guys just pulled this off the internet. But it's not like the reporters would do a better job, anyway.

    Power_of_the_O:

    I think you mean look for this guy to get a job with msnbc, right?

  19. neighbor72
    9/26/2009, 11:32 a.m.
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    "If you locked her in a cabin with no phone or internet for 2 months and shoved her out the door in front of this crowd she would give them the hypnotized look of a deer stareing into a vehicles headlites."

    And that's different how from what we have in office now? If this guys tele-prompter tips over or shorts out he might as well be standing on his tongue. If he wasn't being told what to say he would have nothing to say at all. Being told what to say and when to say it seems to be a prerequisite for the job. I can say this much, if my choices in 2012 are between re-electing Obama Bin Ly'in or electing Sarah Palin...I'll take my chances on the lady.

  20. wonderwomanak
    9/26/2009, 11:38 a.m.
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    She quit her job as our governor, as far as I'm concerned she is not worth the ground we (ALASKANS) walk on. PLEASE, Move out of ALASKA and take your family with you.

  21. WindDancer627
    9/26/2009, 11:54 a.m.
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    Regardless of people's views on the person holding the office of President of the United States of America, the office itself deserves respect. It should not matter, in my opinion, what people think of the person. We have a right to agree or disagree with any opinions anyone holds. However I believe that it is wrong to go onto foreign soil and disparage the person behind that office. Whether she agree with Obama's policies or not has nothing to do with the fact Sarah Palin (please keep in mind here I have not yet read the actual transcript) went to a foreign nation and undermined the authority of that office. We are stuck, for better or for worse, with the President that we have at this moment. Is it wise to intentionally undermine him to foreign governments when he is the one we will hold responsible for maintaining relationships with them.

    I will say again, Sarah Palin and everyone else has a right to their own opinion and a right to express it. She can go on the news, stand on a building and shout, twitter as much as she wants. But I firmly believe that standing on foreign soil and undermining the office she claims to respect was the wrong way to go about expressing that opinion.

  22. SpiritofAlaska
    9/26/2009, 12:08 p.m.
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    so, what about the current President going into Foreign soil and making the remarks about his own country and throwing us to the dogs. Respect is earned!!!! I have already said I much rather have had Pres. Clinton back in office than what we have now, and never thought I would of ever said that!!!!! At least you know what he was up too!!

  23. charliebussell
    9/26/2009, 12:23 p.m.
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    Sarah is doing just fine...by any measure a comparision between her and Biden, or Obama, would leave your head spinning....like the main stream press does for Biden and Obama on a daily basis...

  24. BigRob
    9/26/2009, 12:25 p.m.
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    SOME OF THE FOLKS GOT UP AND WALKED OUT!!!!!

    HOW FUNNY IS THAT??!!!!!!!
    On the clip that was shown of her speech, she was rambling on and on...
    Oh...
    Thank Clinton for bending to the right quite a few times, which made many dems mad, but, he rose above the partisan politics and served both sides of the aisle!! Go ahead, try to deny it!

  25. sherry29
    9/26/2009, 12:28 p.m.
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    All I have noticed is that Palin haters seem to be Obama worshipers.

  26. TheBigDipper
    9/26/2009, 12:41 p.m.
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    Respect for the office of the presidency while on foreign shores never got in the way of Barack Obama, the candidate in criticizing Bush during his European tour. Or Pelosi, Kerry, Gore, or others. That unwritten rule has been repealed, by the Democrats.

  27. TheBigDipper
    9/26/2009, 12:44 p.m.
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    Here's some of the latest BHO mischief:

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/5451...

    I am convinced that BHO will do anything that he can to weaken our national defense. The question is "Why?".

  28. Dove
    9/26/2009, 12:50 p.m.
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    Sarah Palin, "a credible threat", as noted above. Threat to what?

  29. cjg
    9/26/2009, 1:01 p.m.
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    When people are discussing someone, why do some of you keep bringing up someone else?

    "Here's a person with some qualities that we're talking about."
    "Oh yeah? Well what about that guy over there??"

    "What about Obama?" is a pretty weak defense from you Palin supporters.

    It goes the other way, too. When someone is questioning the President's policies, "What about Bush?" is a pretty useless response from Obama supporters.

  30. whynot
    9/26/2009, 1:34 p.m.
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    Dipper - "I am convinced that BHO will do anything that he can to weaken our national defense. The question is "Why?"."

    Ok, even though it pains me to read the CNS - because I doubt much of what Brent Bozell, III has to say about, well, anything - I followed your link to see what this article had to say about the border patrol agents. It said that of the current 17,399 border patrol agents assigned to the southern border, 384 of them will be reassigned, along with 30 new agents, to the northern border, where currently, there are only 1,798 agents, bringing the total number at the northern border up to 2,212. (A fact not mentioned in the article is the length of each borders: The southern border of the US is 1,952 miles long, the northern border is 5,525 (including Alaska's border with Canada).

    So, they're cutting ... no one, reassigning 384 from south to north (where it seems to me, we're a bit thin...) and hiring 30, for a net gain of 30. How is Obama weakening our national defense?

    Come on, Big D. I know that you hate Obama, and that you'll find anything, ANYTHING that's out there in right-wing cyberland to make him seem like some kind of nefarious person, bent on destroying the country, but the question is "Why"?

  31. AK1958
    9/26/2009, 1:51 p.m.
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    charliebussell - Palin will self destruct ..... can't wait!!!

  32. Brian
    9/26/2009, 2:47 p.m.
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    JETorres said:
    <snip>
    ..."Rule 4 : "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules."

    Sounds familiar right? All the frivolous ethic complaints against Palin....

    "Rule 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions."

    This one is in effect all the time, especially in forums like these and with some of people which are always the same little group that just can't wait for the next Palin article. Some do it in the form of posting links to degrading pictures, some just let it all out like a child throwing a tantrum.

    "RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions."
    ..<snip>

    Haven't you just described any publication or broadcast service owned by Rupert Murdoch?

  33. Djohn
    9/26/2009, 2:52 p.m.
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    Dove, to the SOCIALCRATS incharge. Bottom line is why does the WHite House care what she does. Why do people who live in this state have to constantly trash on her.

  34. justasking
    9/26/2009, 3:02 p.m.
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    nothing wrong with reporting litter...trash is trash...

    someone should put the trash in a trash can...

  35. blue5011
    9/26/2009, 3:15 p.m.
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    Palin sure can get some folks panties in a twist.

  36. ArcticWriter
    9/26/2009, 3:54 p.m.
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    Sarah who?

  37. BengalTiger
    9/26/2009, 4:05 p.m.

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  38. BengalTiger
    9/26/2009, 4:06 p.m.
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  39. NotPc
    9/26/2009, 4:08 p.m.
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    BigRob the only thing Clinton bent to the right was Monica....Go ahead and try to deny that.

  40. neighbor72
    9/26/2009, 4:11 p.m.
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    "nothing wrong with reporting litter...trash is trash...

    someone should put the trash in a trash can..."

    Well we tried but ACORN did what they do best and got him voted into office anyway.

  41. John
    9/26/2009, 4:34 p.m.
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    Anyone who cares to read what the results were straight from the people who did the poll its here:

    http://www.frcaction.org/get.cfm?i=PR09I...

  42. roadtrip
    9/26/2009, 5:03 p.m.
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    What a country. Six years ago no one knew or carred about Godbama or the antibama, Palin. Now they are international celebrities.

  43. Doug_in_Salcha
    9/26/2009, 5:27 p.m.
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    I really don't care which course she decides to pursue; one, become a Right-Wing Political Talk Show Host like Rush (but don't think she will become quite as successful) or two, turn back into Active Politics. Either one would work for me; I'd like to see her make some money to pay off the debts she had from the bogus ethics charges.

    Of course, anything she does is almost certainly guaranteed to set the left-wing liberals "teeth on edge"...

  44. joeslankas
    9/26/2009, 5:55 p.m.
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    Doug-

    I'm personally still pulling for that Palin spread in Playboy.

    No pun intended. Or... :)

  45. AK1958
    9/26/2009, 5:59 p.m.
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    Neighbor72 - nothing wrong with reporting litter...trash is trash..."

    Here in Wasilla it's Valley Refuse and they'll pick up anything -- You Betcha!

    Outta be sometime next year that this garbage will be thrown back to Wasilla in pieces!

  46. charliebussell
    9/26/2009, 6:01 p.m.
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    AK1958...The Obama/Biden bunch, along with the current Congressional leadership are all doing there best to make Sarah's message all the more important...if they don't destroy the country before next years elections, Sarah will change a lot of seats in the Congress...

  47. diogenesFBKS
    9/26/2009, 6:06 p.m.
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    bigDip said:

    "I am convinced that BHO will do anything that he can to weaken our national defense. The question is "Why?"."

    That last hit of bad acid you scored under the old POP pier decades ago has really done a permanent number on you, bigDip.

    http://tinyurl.com/y9w7td5

    dog

  48. Oh_please
    9/26/2009, 6:36 p.m.
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    "I am convinced that BHO will do anything that he can to weaken our national defense. The question is "Why?"."

    ------------------------

    He hasn't been taking his POOFS meds, diogenes...

    http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4417/th...

  49. Oh_please
    9/26/2009, 6:38 p.m.
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    I can't believe Silly Sarah is pallin' around with commies for the MONEY.

    Sad.

    Wait, yes I can believe.

  50. TheBigDipper
    9/26/2009, 6:50 p.m.
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    whynot-

    I guess that if you feel that the threat from our northern border is in the same league as our southern border, then a move like this makes sense. Americans in California and Arizona would probably disagree. The violent drug trade that has ravaged Mexican border towns like Juarez and Tijuana has moved north. The truth is both borders need more protection, but that is no good reason to pull resources off of the Mexican border. If there is a huge illegal immigration and violent drug trade smuggling problem from Canada, they must be keeping it a secret. True, Islamic terrorists could sneak in from either border, but again they are more likely to blend in with the masses crossing our southern border.

    As for BHO and national defense. He has proposed cutting the military budget to pre-9/11 levels, he has equivocated and hesitated on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, he advocates civil rights for captured terrorists, he's going after the CIA, he has placated nutball dictators while he has abused our traditional allies. The Russians, Iranians, and Cubans love him, the governments do anyhow. They laugh in his face, while they brutalize their own citizens. Eastern European allies are looking at the Bear awakening again. Israel is being tossed to the curb. Other than that, he's just peachy.

  51. AK1958
    9/26/2009, 6:56 p.m.
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    Palin should know the root of all evil is money.

  52. aklibbylover
    9/26/2009, 9:06 p.m.
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    Is she still eligible for a PFD? Perhaps someeone should inquire next year as to her eligibility....

  53. kar98k
    9/26/2009, 9:08 p.m.
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    "I'm personally still pulling for that Palin spread in Playboy.
    No pun intended. Or... :)"

    Gag, barf, puke!

  54. roadtrip
    9/26/2009, 9:12 p.m.
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    Doggy and Oh-pee said: ha, like any one gives a crap what they say.

    Liberals, when Palin speaks just close your eyes, plug your ears and chant na na na na na. That should add years to your lives. Just think, she got a minimum of $11,000 per minute for that one speech. That's almost $200 per second. That's one high paid broad.

  55. Oh_please
    9/26/2009, 10:02 p.m.
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    Yep, roadie, good money she earned! And it IS all about the money, right?

    Too bad she has no ethical or moral qualms about accepting money from a country that suppresses dissent from its own citizens and crushes and imprisons political opposition. Would you be proud of that, roadie?

  56. Prospector
    9/26/2009, 10:09 p.m.
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    AK1958 --"Palin should know the root of all evil is money."

    It's not surprising that you don't know the correct quote... "For the love of money is the root of evil." Timothy 6:10.

    You should try to understand the difference.

  57. Oh_please
    9/26/2009, 10:49 p.m.
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    There's only one correct quote?

  58. roadtrip
    9/26/2009, 10:51 p.m.
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    We owe China about five trillion bucks Oh-pee so what in the heck are you rambling about. At the rate Palin was earning money from the Chines she would have to speak for about 850 years straight to pay back the money that we already took from them. Next time you buy some crappy consumer item that was made in China ask yourself the same question.

  59. 1AkFox
    9/26/2009, 10:52 p.m.
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    The Huckster has his own talk show on Fox news..

    He has been visiting the Middle East for a few weeks..

    Shara gives a speech in Asia and gets more coverage!

    MMMMM, mmmm, mm

    and the lib's have a Palin-osis attack!

    MMMMM, mmmm, mm

    Tanking their minds off of ACORN's promotion of child prostitution and getting de-funded.

    MMMMM, mmmm, mm

    And, now the lib's can pay for their own community organization without an Uncle Sam dole.

  60. Oh_please
    9/26/2009, 11:01 p.m.
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    Well, yay for moral equivalence, roadie!

    Keep up the name calling. You only denigrate yourself.

  61. roadtrip
    9/26/2009, 11:41 p.m.
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    OK Oh-please, you are right about the name calling.
    As for your moral equivalence there can't be a problem with taking money from the Chinese. We as a country have taken trillions from them in the form of loans to finance our extravagant American lifestyles. We buy their garbage, and it is garbage, and then we borrow back our own money so we can buy more garbage. Sounds too silly to be true and it can't last forever. When the present system of using credit to finance more credit fails, and it will, the collapse will be total and permanent.
    And no, the Chinese will not be happy campers either.

  62. NativeSon
    9/27/2009, 12:25 a.m.
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    It's nice to see that roadtrip really gets the big picture. America has a debt-based economy, which by definition, has a finite life span. Sadly, it looks like the fat lady is limbering up her vocal chords to belt out a swan song very soon.

  63. bn
    9/27/2009, 5:43 a.m.
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    This article is old news. Way to go, AP. *snore*

  64. AK1958
    9/27/2009, 6:34 a.m.
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    Prospector - I wasn't quoting, it was a statement (put your Bible away) She sure is surrounding herself with the evil Elitists!

    You know when she walks she has to think Right Left Right!

  65. Prospector
    9/27/2009, 7:03 a.m.
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    AK1958 -- "You know when she walks she has to think Right Left Right!"

    Awesome. When you walk, do you think "Left Left Left Left?" That would explain much.

    BTW, what evil Elitists is she surrounding herself with? Can you name them?

  66. AK1958
    9/27/2009, 8:51 a.m.
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    Make sure you swallow....Fred Malek, John Coale/Greta Van Susteren, Rupert Murdoch.

  67. roadtrip
    9/27/2009, 9:51 a.m.
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    ACORN and Ayers anyone?

    AK1958, so you are smarter then Mrs. Palin. That is why you are able to formulate a few weak personal insults against Palin on a little local comment board. She, on the other hand, has positioned herself as the international leader of the opposition against a man who is leading this country into a full blown economic depression. Sounds stupid to me.

  68. Oh_please
    9/27/2009, 9:55 a.m.
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    Oh, that all makes sense to me, roadie, but unfortunately we all now live in a black-and-white Republican world with no sense of nuance. There is only right and wrong. All Dippers ranting about Obama and Cuba, Venezuela, etc. proves that point.

    If Obama is 'pallin' around with terrorists', then Palin is pallin' around with commies and accepting their blood money.

    It's a trap that has been built by Republicans and now you either need to agree that she's been pallin' around with the evil commies or claim hypocrisy.

    And when Prospector walks he thinks, "grumble, grumble, grumble... HEY YOU KIDS! GET OFF MY LAWN!"

  69. MOInkslinger
    9/27/2009, 10 a.m.

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  70. Oh_please
    9/27/2009, 10:06 a.m.
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    And I just got a new pair of Red Wing boots.

    Made in China. **Sigh**

  71. whynot
    9/27/2009, 10:21 a.m.
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    BigD - Where to start? Well, first, I'd like to state an assumption - that neither of us work for the CBP, Homeland Security, or any government agency or group that has any specific knowledge of border security. So we're both just looking for information in support of our respective "causes" - mine being in support of the administration, yours being... well, NOT in support of the administration, for reasons that you have not explained.

    I'm not ignorant of the fact that the southwest border has become more and more dangerous. And as a frequent visitor to Mexico, I can say that the entire country is on high alert due to the violence there and in other regions.

    But I'm also aware that the Canadian border has traditionally been fairly porous, with vast regions unprotected and unobservable by customs and border agents. Mountain and lake regions straddling the border make patroling the border a nightmare. If I were a terrorist, I would definitely come in on the northern side - it'd be a simple matter of taking a boat across, say, Lake Ontario.

    Back to the southwest border. As you will recall, Bush signed a bill in 2006, H.R. 6061, ordering that 700 miles of fence be built on the southwest border, of which 580 miles have been constructed as of the beginning of 2009. At completion, the "unwalled" border will total 1,250 miles. Let's assume that the wall is the deterrent that it was proposed to be by the Bush administration (I'm not totally confident in the wall's anti-deterrence, but it may stop some traffic).

    Further, let's add in the new technology made available by President Obama's ARRA (you know, the hated stimulus funds). "This year, DHS has accelerated plans to build a “virtual fence” on the US-Mexico border that will incorporate steel towers equipped with infrared sensors, remotely operated cameras, communications devices and radar. The system is designed to aid border patrol agents in identifying and intercepting 70 to 85 percent of all illegal passages into the US, increasing control over an immense and rugged terrain."
    http://www.photonics.com/Content/ReadArt...

    Also this year, the "Tunnel Detection Project" was implemented, using technology developed by Lockheed Martin, in partnership with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Science and Technology Directorate (S&T). The project uses sophisticated ground penetrating radar to detect tunnels all along the border.
    http://www.usnews.com/articles/science/2...

    Assuming that the reduction of staff is actually going to occur on the southwest border (and again, I haven't found credible sources to support that claim), perhaps these advancements help explain that shift - I don't know, and neither do you.

  72. whynot
    9/27/2009, 10:21 a.m.
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    As for your entire second paragraph, sorry my friend, but I could find no credible evidence for anything you said! On the "cuts to the defense budget" claim, the Bush administration's fiscal 2009 budget requested $515.4 billion for the Department of Defense. For fiscal year 2010, Obama requested $533.7 billion for the Department of Defense, plus $130 billion for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2010. Cuts?

    He is wisely considering options for Afghanistan, given the new information from that country and now from Iran - what do you want him to do, rush in a la Bush and muck it up? With another crisis developing in Iran? Not this president. He's much more intelligent than that.

    He advocates fair treatment under the law for prisoners - we do have laws on how to treat prisoners (I know that got lost in the 8 years under Bush). He's not "going after the CIA", he's investigating those who gave the orders to torture. Are we a nation of laws or aren't we? And you know, BigD, I'm not even going to address the rest of your anti-Obama rhetoric - it's not going to affect the way you think, and the charges you make are so scurrilous that it's not worth it to me to discuss them.

  73. Oh_please
    9/27/2009, 10:24 a.m.
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    And you know, BigD, I'm not even going to address the rest of your anti-Obama rhetoric - it's not going to affect the way you think, and the charges you make are so scurrilous that it's not worth it to me to discuss them.

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    Hey! You're learnin', whynot!

    Hence the reason I usually do nothing but post cartoons...

  74. AK1958
    9/27/2009, 10:28 a.m.
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    "A new race of men is springing up to govern the nation; they are the hunters after popularity, men ambitious, not of the honor so much as of the profits of office - the demagogues, whose principles hang laxly upon them, and who follow not so much what is right as what leads to a temporary vulgar applause." Joseph Story

  75. whynot
    9/27/2009, 10:29 a.m.
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    Hold on there, roadie. "... She, on the other hand, has positioned herself as the international leader of the opposition against a man who is leading this country into a full blown economic depression. Sounds stupid to me."

    "International leader"??? "A man who is leading this country into a full blown economic depression"?

    "She" is no international leader - she was invited to make a speech at a convention - nothing more, nothing less. She read the speech as prepared for her by her paid team of speech writers. She was not able to conduct a question and answer period for fear of sounding uninformed.

    And the "man", also known as "the President of the United States", is leading this country OUT of an economic mess, left to him by the former administration.

  76. whynot
    9/27/2009, 10:37 a.m.
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    I get you, Oh_please, and I appreciate the cartoons you post; they add a little humor to what often are virulent discussions.

    I try, I really do, not to get caught up in silly debates, but sometimes there seem to be windows of opportunity to effect change. BigDipper is a reasonable guy, but he seems misinformed by the things he reads - as anyone would be who reads what he reads. If all you read are rightwing websites, it would seem impossible to NOT hate Obama. But there exists a whole world out there offering information that contradicts the rightwing blather, and to form intelligent opinions, one should avail oneself to those alternate sources of information. I'm just trying to point the way to those sources.

  77. roadtrip
    9/27/2009, 11:02 a.m.
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    I want to be the new moral compass as Oh-please seems to have abandoned his post. And my first official act as moral compass is to call for the censorship of MOlnkslinger. This is a family place with little kids watching, well probably not but it could theoretically happen so we at least have to pretend little kids are watching, and to subject their sweet little minds of mush to slinker's comment is bad.
    He must be BANISHED!

  78. TheBigDipper
    9/27/2009, 11:46 a.m.
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    whynot-

    For a look inside the military budget numbers:

    http://www.heritage.org/research/nationa...

    http://www.speroforum.com/a/19140/Obamas...

    http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Barac...

    For a further look into Obama's future plans:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0du8wMLz...

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    You say torture, I say enhanced interrogation that saved thousands of American lives.

    As for Iran, Obama has pretty much green lighted their nuclear development, that is unless there is a secret quid pro quo agreement for removing our missile shield project from Eastern Europe. I think not.

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    Oh_please-

    You are a cartoon. Just not a very funny one.

  79. Oh_please
    9/27/2009, 11:52 a.m.
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    You say torture, I say enhanced interrogation that saved thousands of American lives.

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    Cite, please. Difficulty: No Dick Cheney.

  80. diogenesFBKS
    9/27/2009, 1:38 p.m.
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    roadie said:

    "She, on the other hand, has positioned herself as the international leader of the opposition against a man who is leading this country into a full blown economic depression. Sounds stupid to me."

    Roflmao!!! You really are a "list treasure", a "blog treasure", a "column treasure" or whatever the appropriate phrase might be to describe your contributions.

    Blunt/Palin....2012

    dog

  81. JB
    9/27/2009, 2:17 p.m.
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    If she gets elected I will be very disappointed in every single person that gets behind her. She QUIT her job. I dont care what reason she gave, she QUIT. If this country elected her to a higher office than the one she cracked in, what would be left to say?

  82. The_Alaska_Curmudgeon
    9/27/2009, 2:26 p.m.
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    William Safire has died. One of the last Americans who knew how to construct a solid argument, and one of our few truly literate authors. He also possessed a wickedly funny sense of humor. Even when I disagreed with him, which I many times did, I never quit enjoying his work. He was a relic of the days when political commentary appealed to the mind rather than the emotions. We no longer see his kind, it seems.

    Rest in Peace, Bill. You did well.

  83. TheBigDipper
    9/27/2009, 3:08 p.m.
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    I enjoyed Safire's columns.

    I loved his historical novel "Scandalmonger".

  84. AK1958
    9/27/2009, 3:28 p.m.
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    Why quit? I mean, she had a legal fund, most of the complaints had been dismissed AND she could of made speeches in China or anywhere as a guest speaker and still governed Alaska, what was the difference she went to other engagements, some paid for her mouthing.

    It was all for the fame and fortune that she quit, you won't convince me of nothing less. Palin knows she hasn't a chance in h3ll to be elected president she's just riding the money train.

    Coincidentally have ya noticed that she always makes a statement or twitter to coincide with Obama's schedule......like she has to be a part of or get her 2 cents in along with whatever Obama is involved in. She's like a stalker and others are enabling her to act out her insanity, it's scary people are that desperate.

    I truly feel sorry for her children.

  85. roadtrip
    9/27/2009, 4:34 p.m.
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    diogenesFBKS said, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and blah.

    Palin/Wilson 2012

    "I truly feel sorry for her children.", Really 58? Well I doubt that they give a crap about you. Ha ha ha.

  86. Oh_please
    9/27/2009, 6:02 p.m.
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    Palin/Wilson 2012

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    Nah. Here's a better choice. If you're going for The Crazy, you may as well go all-out...

    http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/41/pail...

  87. AK1958
    9/27/2009, 6:50 p.m.
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    roadtrip - You're probably supporting that new offspring on Denali Kid Care and momma on WIC.......I feel sorry for you as well.

  88. mr_one_time
    9/27/2009, 7:06 p.m.
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    AK1958

    My wife and I, wonder if you're from another state?

  89. Barks
    9/27/2009, 7:36 p.m.
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    whynot,

    Why not , can't they understand it ? what you say seems simple to understand , to me .

  90. Just_saying_if
    9/27/2009, 7:37 p.m.
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    China's oil interests, needs, dollars, leases, are not welcomed in Alaska. IMHO

    Palin made a mistake if she put Alaska's resources up on the auction block in China.

    China has been shopping all over the global for oil & NG.

    In Canada, a native corp. "leased" out to China.

    Follow the "who", "what", where", "when", "how much", "why"......

    The money and who, always tells the products.

    Nothing against the people of China, just the leadership.......

    The pot is boiling over on the stove....

  91. BullsEye
    9/27/2009, 9:22 p.m.
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    6 figures, cool....low 6...so...$400,000.00..or so ?
    Right on, Go Sarah Go !!

    Drill Here Drill NOW !!!

  92. roadtrip
    9/27/2009, 10:20 p.m.
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    1958 said, blah, blah, blah, blah, and blah. Ha ha ha.
    Oh-please, what was that you said about name calling? "Keep up the name calling. You only denigrate yourself." I couldn't agree with you more.

  93. whynot
    9/27/2009, 11:51 p.m.
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    BigD - You gave me one link to a questionable article from the Heritage Foundation (an ultra-rightwing conservative think tank), one from a policy analyst from the Douglas and Sarah Allison Center for Foreign Policy Studies, a division of the Kathryn and Shelby Cullom Davis Institute for International Studies, at - wait for it - The Heritage Foundation.

    The third link, to a Reuter's article, was dead.

    The YouTube link - you have got to be kidding. I won't even discuss it.

    Torture is torture, my friend. The term "enhanced interrogation" is nothing but a euphemism. You are aware, aren't you, that Americans brought several Japanese soldiers to trial for waterboarding after WWII and that they were convicted of torture and hung?
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...

    The missile shield issue has been overblown - and the WSJ admits that it overstated the opposition - be sure to read the final paragraph of this article:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12531780...

  94. TheBigDipper
    9/28/2009, 6:32 a.m.
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    "Finally the Americans have agreed with us". That sounds like a happy Russian to me. Is that the part of last paragraph in the WSJ article that you found relevant? Interesting that Iran immediately shot off 2 missiles yesterday, after BHOs "tough" words upon revelation of their new highly guarded nuclear facility.

    My opinion of Politicfact in the the St. Pete Times matches yours of the Heritage Foundation.

    But I'm glad that you brought these things up. Upon rereading your comments I found one that I had missed, the one where you patronize me by excusing my opinions due to lack of balanced reading. You are wrong. I go to whatever web sights that I find links to, then consider the source. I have been reading books and magazines from a variety of sources since I was a wee tyke.

    Actually, I find many liberals are the ones with closed minds. Do you ever watch the network that recently broke the ACORN story? Or do you just read about Fox from other sources? Have you listened to a conservative radio talk show, or do you derive your opinion from mediamatters or some blog?

    Please keep your condescending, patronizing tone to yourself.

    Sorry about the Reuters link.

  95. frontierjan
    9/28/2009, 8:07 a.m.
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    PARTY!

  96. DirkWigdoubt
    9/28/2009, 8:49 a.m.
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    when asked how she liked Hong Kong Sarah replied,

    "It was great! I really liked the part at the end when the big ape climbed up the Empire State building..."

  97. DirkWigdoubt
    9/28/2009, 8:51 a.m.
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    This speech by Sarah cost a lot money. So now, for the first time, China is buying a bunch of plastic crap from the U.S.

  98. AK1958
    9/28/2009, 9:59 a.m.
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    Live right down the road from the Quitter Twitter......yep, Valley of the Quitter.

    And ya know that six figure reported by Palin, I'm sure she counted the tens column. more like $4,000.00.

  99. pathfinder01
    9/28/2009, 11:22 a.m.
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    Has been. She didnt do crap for you or me Only thing she proved is their is some hotties in AK other than that she is like the rest of them in office HER HER HER thats to bad I think she could have been someone good for the state. Thats to bad she is a BIG QUITTER

  100. whynot
    9/28/2009, 4:48 p.m.
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    BigD - No, the last paragraph in the Wall Street Journal article that I was referring to contained this statement: "While a White House decision to drop plans for a missile-defense shield was attacked by some people and newspapers in Central Europe, the governments of Israel and of U.S. allies in Western and Central Europe were supportive. A headline on a previous version of this article overstated the extent of the opposition, saying U.S. allies were "roiled.""

    I thought that was relevant because many American politicians and "news" sources over-reacted to this story - the WSJ was the only one I know of that offered a correction to their own hysteria.

    I'm sorry if you were offended by my comments - I didn't intend to insult you. It's just that you've cited so many conservative websites that it seemed to me that you were ONLY reading the information available on those sites - and if you were restricting your reading to that kind of site, you would definitely come away with a skewed opinion - who wouldn't? We all tend to gravitate toward the sites that support our own viewpoint - there's comfort in being with others of the same mindset; we feel supported and that we're right in feeling the way that we do.

    I'm sorry that you find the information available at PolitiFact questionable. I don't. It seems fairly balanced in its criticism of Obama, Dems and Reps. I like the "Truth-O-Meter" section.
    I could have sent a number of other links for that story, but I picked PolitiFact because they correctly found McCain truthful in his telling of the story. Here are a couple of other sources:

    http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3404

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

    http://usiraq.procon.org/sourcefiles/bac...

    Do I watch FOX news? I do, whenever my wife and kids aren't home. I don't ENJOY it, but I do watch it - I find it almost as pleasant as watching an episode of "Married With Children"... My main problem with some of the shows is that I don't appreciate the hosts coming off as purveyors of facts when the truth is, they are nothing more than entertainers. Beck, for example, was nothing more than a radio personality and a college dropout before he got his "big break", and yet, Mr. Murdock has seen fit to put him in a position of being a sage, a political pundit and a leader of the disenfranchised. I don't like the fact that he panders to the lowest common denominator, and I find it appalling that people follow him as if he's a leader of some kind. I wouldn't let him lead my dog.

  101. whynot
    9/28/2009, 4:49 p.m.
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    The ACORN story was bad, but not surprising. ACORN staffers are low paid, often come from the communities in which they work, and they are trained to be non-judgemental in working with "clients". The problem I have with the guy that made the video is that not many sources of the story reveal that this kid has a history of making these "60 Minutes"-type exposes (he's not the novice he's made out to be), he hasn't released the videos of the many ACORN offices he visited that turned them away or turned them in, and not many sources reveal his connection with Andrew Breitbart. That being said, yes, the videos reveal wrongdoing, and yes, ACORN should be investigated further. But to paint the entire organization as bad - an international organization with 39 years of good work and some 350,000 members - makes about as much sense as censoring all of Congress because a few members are crooks. Or maybe that's OK with you...

    Do I listen to conservative radio? Yes, occasionally, and for as long as I can stand it. I've listened to Rush as he stokes his own ego, and I check out his website about once a week to see what kind of outrageous nonsense he's spreading - and I caught his act on Leno the other night. He and I have NOTHING in common - I am NOT a ditto-head.

    I don't read many blogs - sometimes someone will send me a link to one, and I'll look at it, but I don't follow them. I do occasionally read newspaper blogs - I enjoy Krugman's blog on WAPO. But blogs are by nature much more subjective than hard news, so I don't waste a lot of time on them.

    So let me end by saying this - I have nothing against you. I have no animosity toward anyone here, but when you say things that I find offensive or just plain wrong, I will call you on it. You should do the same for me. It's good to debate one another, and maybe in doing so, we each may learn something we might not have known before. I appreciate the fact that you don't call me names or insult my intelligence. I'll try not to insult yours in the future.

  102. BengalTiger
    9/28/2009, 6:58 p.m.
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    So, the honky tonk hillbilly from Wasilla somehow still receives attention. I'm surprised that she didn't quit the speech just like she quit us.

  103. TheBigDipper
    9/28/2009, 7:24 p.m.
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    whynot-

    I linked to a criticism of PolitiFact a couple of weeks ago in one of these comments. Ironically, the negative criticism was from the Heritage Foundation. I think that we have a standoff there. As you criticize me, fairly, for linking to conservative sites, your sights might seem impartial to you, but hardly to me. In my defense, I usually have to google a subject,, and maybe conservative sights come up because I frame the question fairly and honestly. Calm down. I'm kidding.

    The young filmmaker exposing ACORN also did an expose' of Planned Parenthood, calling in, asking, and being assured that he could make contributions for abortions targeted for unborn black children. Invariably, Planned Parenthood said "...Sure. Why not?"

    Your defense of ACORN remind me of the altruistic community efforts of Al Capone. "...Yea, he's a killer and a thief, but he gave me this Christmas turkey. He ain't that bad...". Besides, this isn't ACORNS first brush with breaking the law. Most important, it is taxpayer money that ACORN uses.

    I agree that it's good to converse without the name calling.

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